<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395</id><updated>2011-12-12T21:35:44.858-08:00</updated><title type='text'>F. Harry Stowe</title><subtitle type='html'>A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.</subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>24</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-4221586164055399057</id><published>2011-06-07T19:02:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-06-15T09:25:21.166-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Serm 1  Pentecost A</title><content type='html'>Acts 2: 1 - 21&lt;br /&gt;Ps 104:23-35,37&lt;br /&gt;I Cor 12: 3b-13&lt;br /&gt;John 20:19-23&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Gospel is another case of the standing joke, the ordinary made to appear extraordinary, so that we can see how extraordinary the ordinary is.&amp;nbsp; The Disciples, like all of us, already have the Holy Spirit, as part of the natural world.&amp;nbsp; But we -- and even they -- are not aware of this fact, nor taking advantage of this presence. So Jesus here focuses them on this reality and gives them a clue to what to do with it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice, Jesus doesn't say "I give you the Holy Spirit," either factually nor performatively.&amp;nbsp; but "receive".&amp;nbsp; This sounds fairly polite and mild, like receiving an honored guest.&amp;nbsp; But the Greek, while it can mean that, mainly means "snatch, grasp, hold on to, seize"&amp;nbsp; It is what you do when you conquer a city, or take a captive.&amp;nbsp; So the disciples are being told not just to acknowledge that they have the Holy Spirit but they are wrestle with it to get their advantage from it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first lesson is the more familiar, the eponymous, lesson for today.&amp;nbsp; Here again we have a dramatic display to call attention to the indwelling spirit and an immediate application (?&amp;nbsp; it is not clear whether the Pentecostals actually spoke in a dozen different languages -- more or less at once -- or whether they spoke their Aramaic or ghetto Greek and got a simultaneous translation for each listener into his own tongue),&amp;nbsp; And, as promised, the first fruits of this were a new heart of flesh, not stone (the alternate first reading) and true community in all things.&amp;nbsp; But as the single cell became many cells, complications arose, involving, among other things, a notion that some gifts of the spirit were better than others and so Paul has to come and make (yet again, in all likelihood) the point that all are necessary for the whole and that each person is unique and thus receives of the spirit the gifts s/he can uniquely contribute to the whole.&amp;nbsp; Without any of them, the whole is incomplete (and so -- going beyond Paul -- the body is not fully functional until all are in it.&amp;nbsp; And yet, since all are in it in the sense of being connected, perhaps unawares, to the spirit, the body can function in an automatic sort of way)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly, our task is to recognize the spirit within us and to direct ourselves under its guidance to the fulfillment of the community, body.&amp;nbsp; And chief among those tasks is arousing the recognition within others.&amp;nbsp; And the way to do this is love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[Don't&amp;nbsp; forget ShekinNAH, the crazy gal. who goes against convention and gives us the strength to do so for what she says is right -- not caught by the Hymnal, not dovish, etc. "Every time I feel the Spirit" is better ...]&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-4221586164055399057?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/4221586164055399057/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/06/serm-1-pentecost.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4221586164055399057'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4221586164055399057'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/06/serm-1-pentecost.html' title='Serm 1  Pentecost A'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-5072380361727516239</id><published>2011-03-28T07:47:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2011-04-22T12:57:21.641-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Exalting the ordinary</title><content type='html'>When we look for motifs in the Bible and in church from which to make inferences about God's nature, one that does not get much notice is the way that God&amp;nbsp; -- and his people -- make a big deal out of ordinary things.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I noticed this first in the little apocalypse (Mark 13), which Evangelicals are constantly citing to prove that these are The End Times:&lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; &lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-24725"&gt;7&lt;/sup&gt; &lt;i&gt;When you hear of wars and rumors of wars, do not be alarmed.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;i&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt; Such things must happen, but the end is still to come.&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;sup class="versenum" id="en-NIV-24726"&gt;8&lt;/sup&gt;  Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There  will be&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; earthquakes in various places, and famines. These are the  beginning&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;i&gt; of birth pains&lt;/i&gt;.&amp;nbsp; (NIV)&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Well, that certainly sounds like today.&amp;nbsp; But, of course, it sounds like every day since the beginning of human history.&amp;nbsp; Jesus has taken the (perhaps little noted) everyday state of the world and raised to a special status -- the beginning of The End.&amp;nbsp; The point is probably that no one knows when The End will come, so live every day as though you were about to stand before The Judgment.&amp;nbsp; But perhaps also that everyday really is the Judgment Day for someone. By bringing it into The Story, Jesus sanctifies or sacramentalizes each day to make them special.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Another, rather extreme case, occurred to me when someone was complaining about all the impossibilities in the Birth Narratives and the Creed, "conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit" as though some spook could provide a complete male DNA strand.&amp;nbsp; But then, in the magick world of Christianity, every conception is by the power of the Holy Spirit --&amp;nbsp; as is everything else, for that matter.&amp;nbsp; Here again, the quotidian, even universal, is made special in one instance and thus raised in our consciousness to a sacrament.&amp;nbsp; If, as Nietzsche says, the Immaculate Conception maculates all conceptions, Jesus' conception, by emphasizing the role of the Holy Spirit, sanctifies conception again and points to God at the beginning of life as well as at the end and throughout. And yet -- certainly for my skeptical friend -- it was an ordinary event.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Which, by some trick of mind, brings me to The Real Presence.&amp;nbsp; In this case, an ordinary event -- setting out the wine and crackers for a party -- has already been sacramentalized and, indeed, dramatized.&amp;nbsp; Mid clouds of smoke, ringing bells and flowing, glowing robes, someone breaks some bread and pours out some wine, once, at least, perfectly ordinary acts, now given added significance.&amp;nbsp; Or not.&amp;nbsp; The whole show has become the ordinary stuff of&amp;nbsp; Sunday morning.&amp;nbsp; So the church needs to resacramentalize it.&amp;nbsp; And this they do by insisting that this bread and this wine really are The Body and The Blood of Christ, that Christ is really in there somehow.&amp;nbsp; But of course he is.&amp;nbsp; And without priestly hocus pocus, but simply because he is in everything in creation. The ordinary highlighted to seems special, but calling attention -- when properly done -- to the extraordinary nature of everything.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;Last week's Gospel (Lent 4A) is yet another case.&amp;nbsp; The man was born blind not because of sin but so that God might be glorified.&amp;nbsp; But God is always and everywhere glorified, whether we notice or not.&amp;nbsp; Jesus now calls our attention to this fact by a very visible act. an overt glorification.&amp;nbsp; And on the Sabbath!&amp;nbsp; A day set aside for glorifying God is seen to be not different from other days, but another time for actually showing God's glory.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span class="woj"&gt;And finally we get an explanation for ordained clergy.&amp;nbsp; they too are just ordinary folks, without special powers to do something special.&amp;nbsp; Except that their presence makes what goes on special, it exalts the ordinary acts of feeding and events of God's presence, in the hope that, seeing them so magnified, we will come to notice them in their ordinary guise as feeding and God's presence in everything. &lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-5072380361727516239?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/5072380361727516239/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/03/exalting-ordinary.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/5072380361727516239'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/5072380361727516239'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/03/exalting-ordinary.html' title='Exalting the ordinary'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-3574106362735163530</id><published>2011-01-17T09:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2011-01-17T09:33:44.332-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Christian Cosmology</title><content type='html'>To a large extent, the magical cosmology of late Neo-Platonism persists in Christian thinking, though with a different mythology and different practical applications (perhaps).&amp;nbsp; For the physical world, Christians are content to leave the details of its operations to the scientists (of their choice, of course).&amp;nbsp; But they assume that, under the physical world, lies God -- and perhaps a more varied spiritual realm.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;God relates to the physical world in a variety of ways.&amp;nbsp; First, God is its creator, whether by vocal fiat from nothing or by upsetting the equilibrium in a force feel or by yet some other means.&amp;nbsp; Secondly, God sustains the universe; it continues to exist and operate because of something God does or is.&amp;nbsp; A part of this sustenance is a complete record of all that has occurred and is occurring.&amp;nbsp; But God is also present. fragmented yet not separated, in each thing in the world, a spark of the divine. And from these facts (tenets), we derive what we believe to know about God.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About creation, which was before our time, we can say little with certainty, though we can tell a variety of stories,&amp;nbsp; But we claim to derive from the nature of the created (as we perceive it) some knowledge of what God is like, insofar as we can make comparisons.&amp;nbsp; The universe is immense (encompassing a billion galaxies, each with a billion stars, spread over several billion light-years of space), so God must be more immense, say infinite.&amp;nbsp; The universe is diverse, stars and galaxies of many sorts, constantly changing, with new forms emerging and old ones passing into something different.&amp;nbsp; So God favors diversity and change (though being of a single nature and unchanging -- thanks to the Neo-Platonists again).&amp;nbsp; There is life and intelligence in the universe, so God must like these features.&amp;nbsp; To be sure, the evidence for this is one planet circling one of E18 stars, but (the reasoning go circularly) there must be others with life and intelligence as well (the problems with this are passed on to later folk, with real evidence to deal with),&amp;nbsp; From these observations, then, it is possible to begin to see the sort of life God expects of his people, though not in crucial detail.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;About the sustaining function of God, a bit more can be said, though not much with strong conviction beyond the fact of the sustenance.&amp;nbsp; Some that claim to understand quantum physics a bit would hold God is the constant observer that brings all the mere probabilities to reality (usually without bows to Bishop Berkeley and the God "always about in the Quad").&amp;nbsp; Other, noting that quantum physics doesn't exactly say that, tend to even more metaphysical&amp;nbsp; explanations: God's essence is existence, so only by God's participation can anything exist, for example.&amp;nbsp; But few can resist the temptation to explain the continuing link among subatomic particle once in contact (any everything was once in contact) to the instantaneous connection within the single, undifferentiated God.&amp;nbsp; But even without this (and chaos and complexity theory -- butterflies in Mexico causing&amp;nbsp; floods in China), Christians are committed to the belief that everything is connected in some way, whether that be causally significant or not (more on this later).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The belief that God records all that occurs, sees and remembers it, turns up in various places.&amp;nbsp; The primary source is the doctrine of resurrection.&amp;nbsp; Christians have a variety of notions -- all Biblically based -- on what happens after death, but one that gets special prominence throughout is that, at the end of time, the dead shall come back to life in their bodies (usually upgraded from their best state) with all their personality (again somewhat cleaned up) and memories, etc. intact.&amp;nbsp; Which means that these memories have to be stored somewhere and God seems the only candidate.&amp;nbsp; That this recording goes beyond humans, their bodies and minds, is a leap, of course, but probably less so than the notion that the recordings started suddenly with the first being that was actually human (though presumably God could make this distinction though we cannot).&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bit about the sparks of the divine is also an extention from the human case, where it is a matter of introspective observation (conscience, say) and theology (the immortal soul, another part of the after-death complex).&amp;nbsp; Here it has at least three stages: the divine spark is what makes the difference between a chemical reaction and life, which might otherwise be reduced to just those reaction.&amp;nbsp; Later in the development of the world, it is the divine spark that makes the difference between brain states (or perhaps even less complex body states) and consciousness and, eventually, self-consciousness.&amp;nbsp; And finally, in humans, it appears as moral consciousness, conscience and moral reasoning, shame and contrition.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, almost finally, for Christians believe that once (at least once, for the cautious or more open) there was an (apparent) human in whom and through whom the full fire (or as much as a human body could possibly stand) of God, blazed, not just a mere spark.&amp;nbsp; And it is from this person that we derive the rest of what we believe about God.&amp;nbsp; From Jesus, we learn  first of all that, though God is unimaginably immense, God loves us each individually and is ever present with each of us, to share and help bear our experience in life. more specifically, we learn that not only does God favor diversity, but that God considers all varieties to be of equal value and deserving of equal treatment.&amp;nbsp; Accordingly,&amp;nbsp; God favors not just change, but specifically the sort of change that leads to those who have been treated unfairly getting their fair share -- and maybe a bit more in compensation.&amp;nbsp; God favors intelligence, but primarily when it is put to use bringing about those changes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With this set-up, it is inevitable to consider the magical consequences.&amp;nbsp; And on this Christians are all over the map, from positivist to miraculist.&amp;nbsp; On the far left hand (I suppose) is the view that God does not interfere with the workings of natural laws and those laws are pretty much as science has them now, with only physical forces mattering.&amp;nbsp; On the far right is the view that everyone has direct access to God and the ability to get God to alter the course of real world events.&amp;nbsp; This ability needs something special to use, but all are capable of it.&amp;nbsp; Most fall somewhere between, of course: allowing that some real natural laws (which science hasn't and perhaps can't discover) allow for non-physical force to play a role in what appear to be merely physical events, on the one hand, or insisting that the manipulation of God is a skill limited to a few either by nature or by special intense training, on the other, with still more sliding scales, centering on an agnostic position.&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden" /&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input id="jsProxy" onclick="if(typeof(jsCall)=='function'){jsCall();}else{setTimeout('jsCall()',500);}" type="hidden" /&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-3574106362735163530?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/3574106362735163530/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/01/christian-cosmology.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3574106362735163530'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3574106362735163530'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2011/01/christian-cosmology.html' title='Christian Cosmology'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-2445639187927068558</id><published>2010-11-11T12:33:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-11T12:33:09.280-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Love is the Answer</title><content type='html'>So, how is Christianity not Magick? &amp;nbsp;How is Simon Peter different from Simon Magus? In the orthodox tradition, so far as I understand it, the answer seems to be what you love. &amp;nbsp;Magus seeks power, or wealth, or knowledge, or fame, or pleasure for himself. &amp;nbsp;Contemplative Christian seeks divinization not for his own salvation only but for the good of the community, indeed of the world,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How does that play out? &amp;nbsp;As the contemplative comes more focused on God, he become more transparent to God's light which can then shine into the world and wright changes, improvements, small steps toward the coming of the [need a good word here: 'kingdom' and the like seem all too tyrannical, 'commonwealth' and the like too democratic]. &amp;nbsp;Presumably, Magus, as he proceeds, interposes his selfish purposes, holding the light in and redirecting it along narrow personal lines. &amp;nbsp;Even the contemplative who seeks only his own salvation, without concern for his neighbors, does not strictly fall inside the Christian sphere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But does the Magus become a god, can the self-saver find salvation? &amp;nbsp;In Buddhist terms, are the arhants failures, which only the bodhisattvas can correct? &amp;nbsp;Is there something built into the process, a part of the ascetic program, &amp;nbsp;that blocks certain steps from the self-absorbed -- or redirects them on another path, which brings a different reward and one that ties back into the world rather than rising to God?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just don't know and I can't find the discussion on this to guide me. &amp;nbsp;Comments urgently sought.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-2445639187927068558?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/2445639187927068558/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/11/love-is-answer.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2445639187927068558'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2445639187927068558'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/11/love-is-answer.html' title='Love is the Answer'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-4345551590003516902</id><published>2010-10-25T13:12:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-10-25T13:12:50.317-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Magick Christianity</title><content type='html'>Behind most Western magick (the real stuff, not prestidigitation) is a single metaphysic/cosmogony/cosmology, with many versions. It antedates Christianity but has developed in close proximity to it, so that certain ideas seem to be common to both (which has allowed some magicians to escape the fires and caused some Christians to be fed to them). &amp;nbsp;One version of this metaphysics underlies much of the mystical quest or the Orthodox pursuit of divinization. &amp;nbsp;Looking at the general pattern of this metaphysic may shed some light on a number of questions that tend to arise. &amp;nbsp;And maybe assuage my worries about contemplative Christianity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The basic story is this: There is the One, complete in itself. &amp;nbsp;And yet it gives rise to the Second, which is not different from the One, but distinct nonetheless. &amp;nbsp;And these two give rise to the Third, also not different yet distinct. &amp;nbsp;From here the various versions diverge. &amp;nbsp;Most present an array of beings, distinct and different from the top three and one another, and subservient to the top three. &amp;nbsp;At some point, the world is made, whether by one of these subservient beings-- and so evil -- or by the One (or the Second or the Third) -- and so good. &amp;nbsp;This world is a very Ptolemaic one: geocentric, with seven plus spheres around the earth, governed by one (or more) of those subservient beings, and blocking a view of the Three. &amp;nbsp;Now, none of this (or only the last bit) is a temporal succession; it is merely a logical one, explaining a hierarchy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But the next bit sets time in motion, if the whirling spheres did not already. The Second or the Third is fragmented and a bit enters each thing in the world (I particularly like the story of the Third seeing his -- or whatever -- reflection in world, falling in love with the being it -- or whatever -- thinks it sees there, and diving to reach it, being sliced and diced on the way down by the whirling sphere and the pieces going into everything in the hope of finding the beloved). &amp;nbsp;The other one also permeates the whole world but remains intact, underlying, supporting, and recording all that happens.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However the story goes, the result is the same. &amp;nbsp;There is the One, still self-sufficient, perfect. There is the world, especially Earth, immediately borne by a being that is not different from that One, and in each of us there is a piece of a being not different from the One. And between, a number of other beings who control various aspects of the world under general directions from on high.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Magical conclusions: 1. We can return to the One by getting our bit of the Second or the Third back whence it came, in its unfragmented origin, not different from the One. 2. &amp;nbsp;Since this fragment is not different from the substrate of the universe, we can understand, predict, recall and, to some extent, control what happens. &amp;nbsp;3.Since this fragment is part of the top layer, it has power over the subservient beings that perform the ordinary events in the world, we can learn to control them and bring about desired events.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However different in theory, in practice these three conclusions intertwined and reenforced one another. &amp;nbsp;One emphasizing the first conclusion (a mystic, say) would probably have to pass through all the spheres, which meant dealing with the subservient beings who controlled them. &amp;nbsp;And that meant knowing their names (Baphomet, say -- not a real name) and the secret rituals which were needed to convince the power that you were worthy to proceed (the pinkie grip handshake, say -- a real one). &amp;nbsp;So they (most of them, anyhow) need to learn the lore that followed from the third conclusion, the original mysteries somewhat updated. &amp;nbsp;Those who focused on the second conclusion (alchemists, say) needed this, too, for often only spirits knew where to find the pure mercury, etc. that the work required. &amp;nbsp;They also knew that to complete the work it might be necessary to purify the worker as well as the material and that process took one a long way toward the Origin. The followers of the third conclusion knew that some names were only to be uttered (if at all) by those well advanced along one of the routes to the origin and knew the basics of protecting themselves when calling on spirits or graving amulets or scrying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, can we accept this general view -- greatly expanded, of course, (though you would scarcely believe it if you read most contemporary Christian writing) to embrace a billion galaxies of a billion stars apiece, and Lord only knows (part of the point actually) how many planets and sentient beings and how much and what kinds of stuff in between &amp;nbsp;-- without also accepting the rest of the magick kit? &amp;nbsp;Do we indeed, as Christians (and other "advanced" theologians of whatever sort) &lt;i&gt;want&lt;/i&gt;&amp;nbsp;to do without the magick kit? &amp;nbsp;Given an adequately fuzzy sense of quantum mechanics, doesn't science force us to a world like this (or at least cohere with one)? &amp;nbsp;Certainly, action at a distance is nicely accounted for by the underlying substrate that keeps track of everything and is available to all points. &amp;nbsp;And then miracles are just minor tinkerings with the collapsing of probability waves, so as to produce macroscopic effects. &amp;nbsp;And so on: science and religion together at last.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And even without science, this view still does the work for miracles in a rational way. &amp;nbsp;But does it still leave open the possibility of magick: of greedy puddlers making gold in the back room, of angry witches blighting our crops (or our hard drives), of sinners meeting God?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I just don't know. &amp;nbsp;So, when I hear this worldview, however attenuated, I tend to back away in fear. &amp;nbsp;But doing so seems to cut me off from divinization or union or other such mystic goals.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-4345551590003516902?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/4345551590003516902/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/10/magick-christianity.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4345551590003516902'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4345551590003516902'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/10/magick-christianity.html' title='Magick Christianity'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-3651825059345117117</id><published>2010-07-12T07:00:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-12T08:56:31.888-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Girl Cooties</title><content type='html'>I shouldn't comment on the ducks on the other side of the pond, but CofE seems dead set on going to pieces over woemn bishops.  Never mind that the Anglican Communion as a whole has decided that women as priests and bishops is not something to split up over, CofE wants to do just that, though I would think the Anglo-Catholics, Extreme Evangelicals and the Centrists and Liberals had more in common thna any of them have with the Church of Nigeria (Anglican Communion), say.  (It must noted that the acceptance maybe superficial, since many hold that the present split over known homosexuals as priests and bishops is just a way of objecting to women without the bad pr, since the Provinces that are involved in either are the same as those in the other.  So, they can refuse to take communion with -- never mind from -- a woman Primate because she ordains gays, not because she is a woman.  Handy.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While I understand the worries of Evangelicals and Catholics about women as bishops, I think we all need to fall back on basic ecclesiology: the acts of the governing body of the church are the work of the Holy Ghost in today's context.  Until proven otherwise ("Councils have erred" etc.).  And the proof is a practical one, not a citing of texts or even precedents (all of which can be used to justify anything, as history shows painfully clearly).  But, until then, they are to be followed by all the faithful (though they can also work to overthrow them and try to dodge them within the rules, while still being faithful members of the church).   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for the specific worries,  a little discussion would show they are basically groundless (show to anyone not committed to the opposite conclusion, of course -- these points will change no minds).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While dating and attributing in Biblical research are thoroughly mixed with subjective factors, it is still the case that the consensus -- even the majority -- view among scholars is that the Pastoral Epistles are not by Paul, not even obviously Pauline School, and, like most of the New Testament, refer to specific problems in specific places and times.  What the advice would be at different places and times has to be decided by the proper authorities at that place and time (see above).  Loud gossiping women, drunken women talking back to the preacher, and women claiming to be bishops in some weird (even by Christian standards) sect aren't problems that should affect our practices today, where these are not problems (usually) and could be handled otherwise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Apostolic Succession is something else again.  Assuming, against a fair amount of evidence, that the Apostles really did pass on something significant to certain other people and that these people have passed it on, generation after generation, to the present holders, who have delegated this power to current priests, what problems do women present to this?  Well, the Apostles were all men (Junia to the side,  for now) and they passed this something to men only (there are no ordination records from the first few centuries, so we have to take this on faith) and so on through the ages (known exceptions being ignored here).  And, if there is any doubt, the Twelve were all men (though the angels were female, providing for the troop from their own resources).  So a woman would break the chain and the something would not come down to those whom they ordained and thus apparent sacraments would not actually be sacraments and apparent priests and bishops would not actually be such.  And those under their sway would thus not receive the means to salvation and be eternally damned.  (I suppose something like this line of argument goes on for the Evangelicals as well, at least the last bit.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is this something passed down and delegated?  Well. it has something to do with what a friend of mine -- who failed her discernment interview on this occasion -- called "the magic cookie" and the right to speak authoritatively about the faith.  And there are basically two view about what that is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The first, the institutional story, is that all the rites involved are merely the church's way of solemnizing a person's passage into a position in the organization.  The upper hierarchy and the people agreeing, the ordinand or whatever now becomes a person in that position.  What is transmitted, if anything, is an appropriate part of the power of the church.  S/he can now preach and consecrate with authority, subject to local rules.  And can be kicked out, of course, and lapse into a peculiar state -- though not from this point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For the state to be peculiar we need the other, spiritual, view, that what happens at ordination is a transference of a spiritual power, a link to God that others lack, and by virtue of which the person now gets power to do the magic cookie bit and have it count and to speak with some authority.  But this transference is made only if the institutional requirements are met.  So it remains the institution that determines who gets this power.  And by the above basic principle, if all the requirements are met, then the Holy Ghost will see to it that the power is transferred, since it is always God (presumably the Holy Spirit) who attend to such matters.  Thus a duly ordained person performs valid sacraments until deposed, regardless of personal flaws: if the sacrament offered by a serial pedophile, properly ordained, is valid, then so too is that of a properly ordained woman (the Italian Church has recently equated these two "flaws").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Resisting not only ignores the 39Articles, it denies the power of the Holy Ghost to do new things and all things well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-3651825059345117117?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/3651825059345117117/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/07/girl-cooties.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3651825059345117117'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3651825059345117117'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/07/girl-cooties.html' title='Girl Cooties'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-1643776031167167947</id><published>2010-05-29T13:57:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-03T13:02:25.161-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Last Wright</title><content type='html'>(I don't know how much longer I can work variations on this pun.)&lt;br /&gt;The noted New Testament scholar (i.e., person with the right sort of degrees from the right-sounding place who has written several books about NT and environs, some  of which have sold almost as well pulp Christly bodice-rippers -- and to much the same folk), N.T. Wright, Bishop of Durham, has delivered his last address to the Synod of his diocese.  As Americans expect in association with "Durham", it is largely bull. He touches (in a generous use of the term) on many topics, only a couple of which are of interest here, circling inevitably around  homosexuality and the Anglican Communion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I begin with his discussion of adiaphora (things that don't make a difference, not communion deal-breakers).  He notes, correctly, that the question of ordaining women was discussed across the communion before it occurred and suggests that it was agreed that this was adiaphora (hereinafter "trivia") and then various provinces ordained or did not, as they chose.  What happened, of course, is that, while the communion (meaning mainly the bishops) were still taking a generally negative position on the issue, some provinces (indeed, some dioceses within provinces) just went ahead and did it.  After the dust settled -- a few congregations here and there leaving, a little rewriting of some rule books, a few provinces getting in a huff -- it was &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;discovered&lt;/span&gt; that the communion still held together, that the issue was trivia.  The discussion was good groundwork, but the decision that it was trivia was never made as such and came after the fact.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This leads to the consecration of a lesbian  in a committed (20-some year -- match that, breeders!) relationship as a Bishop in Los Angeles.  This has not been declared trivia, he correctly notes, and flies in the face of the clear NT prohibition against sex outside of marriage between man and woman, he claims.  Where to start?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I suppose by noting how clever Tom Durham is here at avoiding all the interesting issues.  As noted above, the issue of a declaration of triviality is irrelevant: they just don't happen until the battle is over, if at all.  But notice what the issue that is not officially trivial is: sex outside of marriage -- not homosexual sex, objecting  to which by name would open one to a charge of homophobia, which is bad pr, especially Durham, apparently.  Duh!  No one wants to do away with the prohibition against sex outside of marriage (officially -- practical applications are another matter and one needs it around to deal with public scandals and as reason of last resort firing irksome underlings).  The issue has not even come up for discussion, which Tom sees as a necessary precursor for action.  The same cannot be said, of course, about the real issue: the role of homosexual person in committed relationships in the orders of the church.  No one has even suggested that homosexual sex outside of such a relationship should not be regarded as as serious a block to orders as promiscuous heterosexual sex (indeed, practically it is more effective and more used than the more common kind).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice, too, that the issue (which is again a&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; real&lt;/span&gt; one in the situation) of the equivalency of committed homosexual relationships with marriage between a man and a woman is nicely finessed by building the assumption that marriage is necessarily heterosexual into statement of the issue (petitio principii), which is, again, taken to be whether sex outside marriage is an obstacle to participation in Christian practices.  Further, the authoritative prohibition against sex outside of marriage is restricted to the NT, since bringing in the OT would introduce so many special cases as to make a clear prohibition unlikely  (and even when we get a clear case, David has probably violated it and been rewarded by God again -- he didn't even get punished for a flagrant bit adultery, though he did lose a child for trying to cover it up by killing the husband.  It's always the cover-up that gets the powerful.  But the next child of that particular escapade was Solomon.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And in the NT is is possible to get a number of passages that are against sex outside of marriage, Paul's "If you can't keep it in your chiton, then get married already" being the most obvious (strictly "It is better to marry than to burn" -- whether in Hell or with lust is unclear).  But anyone who talks about a clear prohibition in the Bible is someone who has not read the Bible much or very carefully (hence the snarky remarks about "noted NT scholar" above).  Consider (from the OT) how the 10 Commandments of the KJV have become much hazier on investigation ("kill" -&gt; "murder", for example).  Even such a clear statement as "A divorced man who remarries commits adultery" (from nearly historical Jesus, not from mythical Moses) is immediately suspect, since it implies that a wife has conjugal rights in a marriage, a concept that Christianity and Rabbinical Judaism would get around to introducing later, but was not available to Jesus in 30 CE.  But even if it were ever so clear, such a command does not guarantee that the thing prohibited will not be "declared" trivial, as the case of divorce clearly shows. There was some  talk about it, then some places started remarrying divorced people, then the rules got changed and lo, the communion remained (I remember a grilling I got for my second marriage, in 1975 -- and the priest who gave it got an even more thorough one from his bishop, and even in 1990, my intended was offered the choice of  only spinster or widow -- not her actual, divorcee -- to describe her status.  That one was resolved by the suggestion that the parish got to vote on which to apply).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So the jump from "It's in the Book" to "It cannot be changed" doesn't work in fact.  So, even if our Tom's strong position, that sex outside of marriage is unequivocally prohibited in the NT and was therefore a block to some roles within the Christian church, were correct.  It does not follow that it cannot be "declared" trivial.  But, as noted, no one is suggesting that it should be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A fortiori, the claim that the NT holds &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;certain kinds&lt;/span&gt; of sex outside of marriage are a block to some positions in the church or ought not be sanctioned by the church does not mean that they may never become trivia.  And it does not mean that these items cannot be discussed and positions acted upon to test the water -- not precluding the outcome that the water stays unperturbed and the issue "declared" trivial.  And, of course, someone is suggesting that this should be: homosexual sex within a committed relationship.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be fair, when the Bible talks about sex outside marriage, it does mean outside heterosexual marriage (although outside an institution very different in most respects from a marriage in the modern world).  In Biblical times, there was no official conception of homosexuality and so none of homosexual marriage.  Paul does move a bit in the direction the modern notion by talking about people whose erotic attention was turned to members of their own sex, but then he deals with it as an acquired characteristic of "normal" (heterosexual) people (and, moreover, as part of the punishment for -- or general chaotic result of -- sinful society).  Classical culture had only two recognized forms of sexual interplay between members of the same sex: pederasty (or "ephebophilia", as participating chicken hawks like to correct us to say), which involved a heterosexual keeping a young person around for sex and maybe (at least officially) for educating, and homosexual prostitution, which involved a heterosexual person going out and buying the temporary sexual services of someone in that business.  One cannot use the Bible's failure to speak on the issue of homosexual marriage (or committed relationship) and its relation to other similar phenomena (heterosexual marriage, homosexual promiscuity or "mentoring", heterosexual promiscuity) as evidence that the activity is forbidden (as the promiscuities and the mentoring clearly are).  It should be noted that the love that dare not speak its name (indeed, could not, because it didn't have one) surely went in ancient time much as today, either under the mentoring guise or simply by keeping the whole thing well hidden away (we get occasional hints -- and even fairly clear stories --  in the records).  Incidentally, Jesus' only recorded contact with this (or a case of regular mentoring) ends with him restoring the mignon without any further comment (you could claim there was no comment because this wasn't such a case, but that is hard to hold reading even the short passage with a sense of what went on back then).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, the situation that Wright is talking around is this.  There is a long tradition in the church that people who are known by the general public to engage in homosexual sex (or are presumed to because they live with someone of the same sex in an intimate way) not be appointed to public positions (ordained ministry and certain sorts of public lay positions) in the church.  This is because such sex is outside the only kind of sex in fact (or, indeed, possibly) approved by Scripture.  Notice, importantly, that this tradition does not prohibit appointing to such positions people who are homosexuals but not sexually active (that ship sailed before the church was a church and any beep worthy of his stick knows that he can't get by with without his homosexual priests and active parishioners -- gays really like church) .  It also does not apply to sexually active homosexuals whose activities are not known outside the cadre, at least if these are in stable relationships (some even become saints!).  A parallel tradition is that the church not officially recognize, bless or sanction committed homosexual relationships.  This tradition also has an array of exceptions, these, however, being a matter of different times and places, rather than about public knowledge (since, of course, a church blessing or the like would be public in some sense).  There is now some discussion about changing these traditions, but no decision has been reached by the communion as a whole.  Right now, that is, going against these traditions is officially thought to be a communion buster.  A few "rogue provinces" have taken steps that amount to going against these traditions and the dust is now flying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to step back a bit and look again at the notion that discussions are now going on, since Wright seems to think this is important.  (Wright is a self-proclaimed strong supporter of women in all orders of ministry, i.e., of women bishops in England now.  He does feel, however, that the discussion has not yet reached the point where action can be taken, because it has not yet worked out how the issue can be genuinely trivial , i.e., available to all but forced on none.  In practice, this means that no one has come up with a magic salve which will allow any diocese to have a woman bishop and yet allow any extremist (fundy or papist) parish in the diocese to avoid getting lady-cooties from such oversight.  In short, he feels C of E should not go ahead until it has found a way for a woman to have the full authority of a bishop and yet not have authority over some parishes within her diocese.  One assumes that he would have any discussion on the issue at hand here to continue without action until the parallel self-contradiction is resolved).  The discussion so far over the last 40 years, give or take, has been of the form:&lt;br /&gt;A proposes a theological ground that permits the contravention of the tradition and offers some testimony by and about homosexuals,  as recommended by the Listening Process&lt;br /&gt;B ignores this and recites a litany consisting of a handful of Bible verses and the claims that it will complicate our life with other churches and with the Muslims.  B also claims that there are no such things as homosexuals, or, if there are, there are none in its country/church, or,  if there are, they are either foreign or paid agents of some international conspiracy (rather like the leaders of those same churches).&lt;br /&gt;A critically evaluates the passages cited and examines the relevance of other churches and Islam to out church and its mission, showing that these need not  prevent the change proposed and adds new arguments for the change and new lgbt testimony.&lt;br /&gt;B ignores this and repeats its litany and denials.&lt;br /&gt;Repeat from step 2.&lt;br /&gt;(I may be unfair to B here a bit, but I haven't found the evidence of serious involvement with A's arguments nor deviation from the litany.  Can someone steer me to any of this?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly this is not going to arrive at a decision on rational grounds -- and, as noted -- such debates never have.  So, as usual, various "rogue" provinces, dioceses and parishes have acted in a variety of ways: blessing homosexual commitments, either with informal liturgies fadged up for the occasion or samizdat forms that circulate; openly ordaining open homosexual clergy in various offices and using openly homosexual laity in publicly visible church roles; performing civil union or marriage ceremonies in church where such certifications are civilly available; openly preparing liturgies for such ceremonies and so on.  These have been going on for at least forty years, but have become more common in the last decade (it's a new century and homophobia is so 20th century).  The crisis seems to have come when some dioceses officially approved liturgies for blessing same sex commitments and when a province actually consecrated a homosexual openly in a committed relationship as a bishop (doing so a second time, nearly a decade later, is the immediate spark for the current kerfuffle).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And, at the moment, the disruption has not subsided, although its character has changed.  There seem to be about an equal number of provinces on each side, with again about the same number not yet really heard from.  So a declaration that the matter is trivial is not in view (but never was nor will be).  On the other hand, the communion is not split yet, although there is a certain amount of being in the same communion but not &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;taking&lt;/span&gt; the same communion wandering around.  And there is a lot of rearranging going on: parishes are pulling out of dioceses and dioceses out of provinces to join with like-minded folks in distant lands, new organizations are coming into being  or old ones receiving new powers in the interest of bringing some coherence to the discussion process as well as finding a way enforce the tradition upon the rogues.  Since, in many ways the C of E is the most rogue of the provinces (though not doing many things officially), one group of these organizations is aimed to set up a communion (of the pure) which does not revolve around the ABC and the mother church.  The other seems to be more occupied with centralizing more decisio0n making (declaring trivial) power in a the ABC and a collection of other beeps.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In a sense, Wright is right that the discussions have not gone on enough.  This is because, as his version of the issue show, the issue has not yet been fully stated.  What is needed is to get away from sex and back to marriage.  No synod has yet taken up the following propositions, though many have circled around it:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   A committed life-long relationship between two people of the same sex is the moral          &lt;br /&gt;   equivalent of a heterosexual marriage and therefore:&lt;br /&gt;       1. being in such a relationship is no bar to any office in the church;&lt;br /&gt;       2. the church should urge civil authorities to recognize such relationships and  give them all the rights and dutes given to heterosexual marriage;&lt;br /&gt;3. the church should allow the formalization of the legal version of this commitment with the church when then the law allows -- and the blessing of it in any case;&lt;br /&gt;4. the church should develop liturgies, similar to those for marriage (or identical if the civil law permits), for formalizing and blessing such commitments.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In one sense, this declaration would complicate matters, since it makes clear where the issue lies and thus can focus the negative reaction.  On the other hand, it also restrict what one has to do to support the position.  The need to discuss homosexual sex vanishes, for it is the commitment (and thus the mirroring of God's love for the church and the intra-church love of each for all) that is the distinctive feature to be defended,  We do not, after all inquire into the sexual practices within heterosexual marriage, nor mention them in the wedding ceremony.  Why bring them up in this parallel case?  And most of the arguments now used against this proposal turn around and support it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-1643776031167167947?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/1643776031167167947/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/05/last-wright_29.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/1643776031167167947'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/1643776031167167947'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/05/last-wright_29.html' title='Last Wright'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-4573972605385198420</id><published>2010-01-18T16:58:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-01-18T17:56:06.513-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Eli Oxen Free</title><content type='html'>Since I haven't figured out how to talk about Avatar without sounding like a fundy who sees satanism in every mention of Harry Potter, I'd like to say a few words about &lt;i&gt;The Book of Eli.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This is clearly a work designed for some sort of religious (or anti-religious) paranoid audience, but I can't figure out at which end (so it may be a work intended to appeal to both).  At the end of the Great War (during which the ozone layer went away briefly and so most folk over thirty have fried retinas) , the conflict was blamed on the Bible (fantasy left) and all copies of it (at least the (N)KJV) were destroyed (right).  But some know that the Bible holds the key to the new civilization (right), but think this is because its words have the power to control mankind in a totalitarian state(left).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;In to the desolate world thirty years after the war -- a world whose desolation is revealed in the best use ever of a Sphinx cat, as bleak and barren and yet as hope for tomorrow('s lunch) -- come a lone figure walking on a thirty year trek ever westward from Atlanta to a haven and embryonic New World to which a voice directs him and his precious cargo.  Although his progress of less than a hundred miles a year seems slow -- even accounting for time spent getting revenge meals for rats and learning the choreography of silhouette cinema knife fights with an Arkansas toothpick punched out to look like an African ceremonial dagger (which he carries Wesley Snipes fashion), he seems driven to complete his task as soon as possible.  And he does get the last several years' worth of travel in in this movie (in a car yet). &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;He is not a White Messiah (that's Avatar); he is Denzel Washington and he is just carrying a message, or even the carrier of a message.   He knows the message he carries and that it is the hope of the future, but he (with deep retrospective regrets) cannot complete his journey if he lives by that message: he must destroy all that stand in the way of his mission (I think this is right, but then I see a lot of it on the left, too) nor can he turn aside to help others beside the way (though, happily, the case of this we see gets "rectified" since the perpetrators of the outrage later get in his way as well -- no help to the raped and slaughtered, of course).  He can barely turn aside for food and water, so certainly he will not fall to the blandishments of the power mad (left) or of pretty or lonely or even sympathetic women (right?).  And when he achieves his goal (gasping his last in the process), it becomes a new book from the revived printing industry, to go along side the &lt;i&gt;Encyclopedia Britanica&lt;/i&gt; (missing a few volumes). (just cynical -- so left?)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I'm sure we are meant to find a moral here, as an excuse for the (hardly gratuitous -- it is the point, after all) violence.   Preserving the basic text of Christianity is more important that living Christianity? (right)  Living Christianity is no longer possible in the dog eat dog world to come?(left)  It is noble to be fixated on a task and carry on against all obstacles and temptations, however doing so contradicts one's original motivation?  The movie is a flop as a fable or allegory or whatever extra-meaning vehicle you choose.  It barely makes it as a slasher flick, except a for a little physical misogyny and the shadow-puppet fights.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;And it wastes (in a variety of senses of the word) Michael Gambon and Frances de la Torre.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Aside from the likelihood of its putting most churches out of business, I would like to start a movement to prohibit the use of Christian themes and plots without actually carrying Christ's message.  This movie is a good place to start.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-4573972605385198420?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/4573972605385198420/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/01/eli-oxen-free.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4573972605385198420'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4573972605385198420'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2010/01/eli-oxen-free.html' title='Eli Oxen Free'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-224477398329924885</id><published>2009-12-19T08:53:00.004-08:00</published><updated>2009-12-19T09:26:03.787-08:00</updated><title type='text'>The What of What says What?</title><content type='html'>A quick skim suggests that several members of the "Standing Committee of the Anglican Communion" have declared -- or have been declared for -- that they are not in communion with some members of the Anglican Communion, as commonly or even legally understood.  Now, by the logic of "communion," someone not in communion with someone in a communion is not in the communion.  That is, there are members of the Committee who are not members of the Anglican Communion.  By the logic of "committee of," this committee cannot, therefore, be a committee of the Anglican Communion.  A quick glance around shows that the other"Instruments of Union" or whatever suffer from the same problem, except, perhaps, that role presently played by Taffy Bushybrows, whose position on this -- as everything else -- is so nuanced as to be undecipherable.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Consequently, all this kerfuffle is irrelevant.  The fact that some groups says it is representing the Anglican Communion in no wise means that it is, especially if it demonstrably is not (see above).  So, the appropriate response to all these decrees or whatever is to ignore them, along with the proclamations of the Holy Rollers of Derby et al.  To consider giving them a vote of approval or rejection is to give them a legitimacy they do not have.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let the purple suits (since aniline dyes, so unimpressive) worry about things calling themselves the whatsis of the Anglican Communion.  Let us in the communion get on with our thing, cooperating in the work of God's Commonwealth with those whose orders and sacraments are mutually reognized with ours.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-224477398329924885?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/224477398329924885/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-of-what-says-what.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/224477398329924885'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/224477398329924885'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/12/what-of-what-says-what.html' title='The What of What says What?'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-8848353390163663867</id><published>2009-11-16T11:19:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-18T11:36:46.744-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Do you believe in miracles?</title><content type='html'>Being a retired philosophy professor, I have to say "What do you mean by 'miracle'?"  If you mean an occasion where God sets aside the laws of nature to bring about an outcome impossible or improbable under those laws at the bidding of some person in deep concern about this outcome, then, no, I don't believe in that.  If you mean only that a person praying for an outcome that is improbable or impossible under the known laws of nature brings about that outcome, then I have to go at least to litotes:  I don't disbelieve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The known laws of nature are known to be wrong in at least some of their details, though just where and how has been a matter of dispute for the last century, after a very hopeful beginning in the early 1900s. With a significant part of the universe missing and while chasing a particle that some have said (at least partly seriously) is trying to prevent its own discovery, scientists are coming to a point where they must look for new paradigms for investigation. And many have been offered.  I find not incredible one that has not been suggested in scientific circles: that psychic energy (for want of a better term) exists undetected and has effects in the physical world.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am well aware of the debunking of such a notion: the erroneous reports, incorrect interpretations, conscious and unconscious misdirections, coincidences and what not.  But there still seems to be a core of cases that resist explanation from current science and have not been dealt with otherwise because we don't know what else to do.  Nor do I have any suggestions what else to do except observe and record carefully and keep an open mind. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I can imagine a force, springing perhaps from human though, which humans could learn to manipulate to cause effects in the physical world.  And one that humans have occasionally actually manipulated, either by accident or by esoteric techniques.  The trick in research would be to isolate cases of this sort from those that fall under one or more of the debunking rubrics.  Attempts to this so far have been fairly unsuccessful: the best case presented have often been found to be flawed in areas where the researcher had a particular blind spot.  But the effort ought to continue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One hope for improvement is that I do not take this quest as a spiritual one, as a move toward liberation or ascension to a higher plane or &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;absorption&lt;/span&gt; into the All, or whatever.  Yet it does have a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;religious&lt;/span&gt; base of a sort.  If you believe there is a God who laid down natural laws which He will not violate (slipping back into a common mode here) and you allow the possibility of miracles, then you are led to the possibility of  (undiscovered) natural laws that explain what appears miraculous given the currently know natural laws.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To clarify one thing, no one (or almost no one and no one we know of) knows how to manipulate this force.  If someone happens to hit upon it at one time, lucky for them.  If another, in as deep anguish and with as much faith, does not happen to hit on it, bad luck.  Not lack of faith or inadequate trying, just not hitting on the right moves, whatever they are (and the successful one appears to be no clearer about that than anyone else -- possibly because they have been pointed in the wrong direction).  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;Something&lt;/span&gt; more is required than faith the size of a mustard seed (which, come to look at it, is not all that small a seed after all) and apparently than some rituals, with or without faith.  What that more is has yet to be found (or demonstrated not to exist) and we apparently do not know where to look.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This seems very flimsy ground for even just not disbelieving in miracles, but it is a reason which satisfies some sort of rational base, given the  postulates of faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-8848353390163663867?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/8848353390163663867/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/do-you-believe-in-miracles.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8848353390163663867'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8848353390163663867'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/do-you-believe-in-miracles.html' title='Do you believe in miracles?'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-2709001728133758128</id><published>2009-11-16T09:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-16T10:41:39.801-08:00</updated><title type='text'>A Liberal says the Creed</title><content type='html'>"How can you recite the Creed every week, when you don't believe a word of it?"&lt;br /&gt;Most liberals have been asked that question.  And most have replied (if at all) by explaining that they take the words to be understood in some non-literal sense and that they believe the underlying claims.  And they do believe some of the words, too.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A stronger response would be to ask how the questioner manages.  The question suggests the the asker takes the words of the Creed literally and bearing all the baggage of traditional Christianity, but, in the modern world, even the most profoundly ignorant must have heard enough to have occasional doubts.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"We believe in God the Father Almighty" Big  guy, with a white beard and a penis, or stern but loving Being  who is always there to help you?  The first is blasphemous, the second unlike most fathers we know and demonstrably not true. What is God really like?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Creator of Heaven and Earth"  In six days plus a break, but this specimen, this rock, this.... the more particular reasons to doubt are calmed by inventing special  acts of nature, the more doubts arise. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A lot of stuff I don't understand but which must be right since its in the Creed.  But what am I really committed to by this?  "begotten not made" "of one Being with the Father" "True God from True God"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Through him all things were made" But didn't the Father make everything.  To be sure, He does say "We" and "Us" a lot while He is doing it, so maybe Jesus was there too.  But how "through,"  For the most part, we don't get a notion of what tools God used, if any;  a couple of times He speaks things into existence and one time He seems use His hands to mold a body, but not other person seems to be involved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"For us and our salvation"  Substitutionary redemption makes God a pretty horrible Person, setting things up so that his only Son has to die and excruciating (literally, no less) death to fix a mess that an all-knowing God should have foreseen (come to that, setting things up so that such a minor act of disobedience should have such eternal consequences).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"He came down from Heaven" Does everybody pre-exist in Heaven or is Jesus a special case? And if Jesus is a special case, being God, how can God all fit in one tiny body and who is minding the universal store while Jesus is on Earth (Ahhah! that's why there has to be at least two Persons)?  And where is Heaven in a universe without up and down?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Conceived  by the power of the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary"  Wait, a male child born without a male gene getting in there somehow -- the Holy Spirit can do that: create a male gamete without a male?  And Virgin Mary -- my daughter better not try that one on me.  Not even if she claims to have seen the Angel Gabriel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"He rose again on the third day, according to Scripture"  Now, I really have trouble with a three- day-dead body getting up and walking around, even without the walking through walls bit and the disappearing and reappearing.  (I have trouble with "buried" too -- who would ask for the body of a convicted insurrectionist?  And who would give it up to be made a center for further insurrection?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"He ascended into Heaven" Even if He traveled at the speed of light, He is still in this galaxy, wherever Heaven is.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I believe in the Holy Spirit" and another load of stuff I don't understand, but that people seem to argue about.   But the whole Trinity thing is not terribly clear to begin with.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"the resurrection of the dead"  I don't know about that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even if the asker does not meet with all some of these questions (and there are others, of course) every time he says the Creed (and listens to what he is saying -- which may be rarely), he surely does some times.  But a person who believes what the Creed says, ratherthan the words it uses to say it, can get through the whole thing without a qualm.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-2709001728133758128?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/2709001728133758128/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/liberal-says-creed.html#comment-form' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2709001728133758128'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2709001728133758128'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/liberal-says-creed.html' title='A Liberal says the Creed'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-4554356952077014979</id><published>2009-11-16T09:01:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-16T09:15:09.774-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Apology</title><content type='html'>This blog got off on a limited theme, about homosexuality in the Bible (or absence thereof) and marriage equality.  I still don't have my mind completely around some of the matters in this area,  but the urgency in getting straight (oops!) on these has dissipated in the rush of events.  I want to get back (on?) to the central questions here, trying to work out my theology in a satisfying (to me, maybe to someone else) way.  So I am scrapping a pile of drafts that went over old material of sex and the Bible and beeps and hypocrisy and the foolishness of GAFCON and the like, to return to issues in my own faith.  I welcome, indeed, seek, comments of any sort on these musings.  I apologize for presenting them often as finished ideas when they are very tentative and shaky.&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-4554356952077014979?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/4554356952077014979/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/apology.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4554356952077014979'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4554356952077014979'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/11/apology.html' title='Apology'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-8157927249523892169</id><published>2009-10-30T10:36:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-10-30T12:23:49.699-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The next ABC (come quickly)</title><content type='html'>Perhaps the next Pope o' Rome will have more trouble than the next ABC repairing his church from the actions of his predecessor, but it'll be a near thing.  If, as his recent hagiography implies, Rowan was groomed for the See of Canterbury almost from grammar school, then the groomers must be mightily disappointed or even shamed.  If his earlier actions and writings were taken as indications of what he was to do when he reached his fulfillment, then the watchers and readers were sadly disillusioned.  If he was thought to be the one to repair the damage done by Peggy Thatcher's dithering revenge on the C of E for its weak support (at best) of Tory bellicosity and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;mammonolatry&lt;/span&gt;, the thinkers got it wrong.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything known suggest that Rowan was picked to do a number of fairly specific jobs to drag the C of E into at least the 1990s, if not the 21st century.  These tasks included&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Getting the chancel prancing Papist and the noisome and noisy &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Roundheads&lt;/span&gt; back into the Elizabethan settlement "Freedom of conscience within uniformity of worship*."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Getting women first and, almost immediately, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;unclosetted&lt;/span&gt; sexual  minorities** into full participation in the church: as priests and bishops without restrictions and in all other roles as well.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Restoring the C of E's reputation as a leader in support of human right and the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;MDG&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Encouraging the North American Anglican communion churches to proceed on their trajectory of inclusion but to do so in a way that would help the C of E to catch up and stimulate some other churches to at least get started on this road.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On these tasks, at least, his score is a perfect zero.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Papists are either looking to flee cross the Tiber or to build a church within the church, free from some off the usual rules (like subservience to your bishop).  The &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;Roundheads&lt;/span&gt; want to take over the church and force their uniformity on conscience as well as worship and form an alliance with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;the Papists&lt;/span&gt; (that is some progress, I suppose) to thwart the rest of the reform program.  The great middle is largely ignored -- except briefly in General Synod, when it tries to enact the program as much as it can (to be subverted at the next step, with the ABC's covert support).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This last is, of course, about the matter, most openly, of women bishops, where the General synod passed -- over the ABC's pleas to the contrary -- a motion to make women bishops with full rights and duties, objectors to be handled more informally rather than by statute.  In perfecting the legislation called for, the committee changed that to giving statutory restrictions on women bishops and statutory extraordinary rights to those who objected.  General Synod may well reject this change, but that is, obviously, no guarantee that it will not end up being the final legislation.  And the whole process has now been slowed down by at least another year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;Lambeth&lt;/span&gt;, the Communion put on a big display for &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;MDG&lt;/span&gt;, led by the C of E and Rowan his own self.  Very little of this seems to have been cashed out by C of E, though other provinces, including some much poorer ones, have done quite a bit.  Organizations around the C of E, but not part of it in any official way, have also done quite a bit.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The case for human rights is even more bleak.  Groups around the church have done what they could; the church -- and Rowan in particular -- has mouthed general platitudes and refused to speak out about particular situations, even when -- maybe even especially when -- they involved churches in the Communion and the actions of their heads.  This is back to the matter of sexual minorities, of course, since the most egregious of these non-pronouncements has been about the new, stricter --even lethal -- laws against homosexuality introduced in several African countries with the loud support of the heads of their Anglican churches.  Of course, this path was already apparent in the home church with the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;debishoping&lt;/span&gt; of Jeffrey John early in Rowan's tenure and a variety of (generally unsuccessful) moves to prevent the blessing secular same-sex unions or even full wedding style ceremonies.  And, in addition, the C of E  repeatedly  appealed for exemptions from non-discrimination laws for even  positions  most remote from religious purpose, matching or even beating the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;RCs&lt;/span&gt;.  Theological musing and practices as a bishop of lesser standing would not bind the embodiment of the Anglican Communion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And, since the C of E was not moving forward (or was even going backward a bit) and nothing was happening to jump-start the African churches, the appeal to North American to not get too far ahead had little force.  The appeal was made, at least, but it was framed less in terms of not getting too far ahead and more in terms of not doing something totally wrong (maybe sinful, certainly discomforting to some and possibly a liability in some mission fields).  Further, the framework of the appeal quickly came to be the framework for a structure new to the Communion (which isn't that old to begin with) which would change the appeal into a command -- never a good approach to the USA and Canada and something foreign to (indeed, against a foundational document of) Anglicanism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In all of these failures, Rowan has had the opportunity to do the right thing, the thing he was trained up to do and promised to do, by word and deed, in his earlier career (though, to be fair, he did show signs of the power center idea of the ABC from early on).   He took none of these opportunities and -- perhaps worse -- undercut those who tried to make what he did look like doing the right thing (++Katherine's appeal for B033 at &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;GC&lt;/span&gt;2006 comes to mind).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;May the next ABC come soon, while there is still a C of E or an Anglican Communion to serve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*"uniformity of worship" is a sort of Anglican joke, since, at least in the older churches of the Communion, the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;official&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;BCP&lt;/span&gt; and Hymnal are supplemented by a variety of more or less &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;official&lt;/span&gt; improvements, trial usages, local usages, borrowed &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;BCPs&lt;/span&gt; from elsewhere (and from &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;elsewhen&lt;/span&gt; as well) so that quite possibly no two Anglican services are ever the same.  And this doesn't even consider the pomp and circumstance bits that range from Byzantine elaboration to &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;po&lt;/span&gt;' chapel minimalism (three hours to 25 minutes, say).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;** Well, except for necrophiliacs, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;bestialists&lt;/span&gt;, pederasts and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;ephebophiles&lt;/span&gt;, the promiscuous, sadists, masochists, fetishists and so on. It basically means LGBT and even then probably with some exceptions, varying from place to place.  In fairness, when this commitment is working, all are welcome and treated much the same outside considerations for ordination or certain occupations, like Sunday School teachers and choir directors.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-8157927249523892169?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/8157927249523892169/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/10/next-abc-come-quickly.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8157927249523892169'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8157927249523892169'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/10/next-abc-come-quickly.html' title='The next ABC (come quickly)'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-3673419193860082599</id><published>2009-09-14T09:35:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-09-14T10:37:39.505-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Episcopocracy</title><content type='html'>I'm kinda slow.  This didn't occur to me until I read some remarks by +Mark SC and Mimi's report of +ND's remarks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bishops in TEC don't have a lot of power in the church nor influence outside it.  Almost all their actions have to be filtered through committees of priests and (brrr!)&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt; laity&lt;/span&gt; (even though they get to pick many of them).  I don't know about Canada, though it sounds similar, but England is frustratingly different: their are still committees with some laity and the whole national government (virtually all lay, most not even in the church, some several not even Christian), but some of them  do get a role in the actual national government (though a rather minor one) and all or more or less lords.  And their opinions are sought outby the papers.  And in Africa and other third (and lower) worlds, they are among the elite: cars when most have only bicycles, if that, mansions (not to say palaces), and other conspicuous signs of wealth.  And their opinions -- even their support -- are sought out by the governments. No messy lay committee with any power, few messy priestly committees with any power.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is not merely personal glorification that the Others want (to be a bishop, to be an &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Arch&lt;/span&gt;bishop), it is &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;power&lt;/span&gt;.  The ACNA has so far only a College of Bishops and does not appear to be making much progress toward even a grammar school of laity or priests.  The bishops who stole away from TEC had displayed an autocratic form within their dioceses and mean to continue and expand it.  Before they had only the power of licensing and committee appointments to sway the events in their church, now they &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;will&lt;/span&gt; be absolute. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, this is all very unChristian (citation of contrasts between rulers of this world and rulers among Christians), as is attributing these motives to others, even if I had clear evidence, but it does help me see how little this all has to do with homosexuality or Biblical interpretation or creedal fidelity or any of the other things being tossed about.  It's just like politics (than which it is hard to say a natier thing).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-3673419193860082599?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/3673419193860082599/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/09/episcopocracy.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3673419193860082599'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/3673419193860082599'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/09/episcopocracy.html' title='Episcopocracy'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-5344973643560833275</id><published>2009-08-24T17:38:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-24T17:44:51.969-07:00</updated><title type='text'>I know, I know</title><content type='html'>I should stop writing about same-sex marriage and talk about health care.  But it is clear that the people who are screaming about the actual proposals in health care, are not going to listen to facts or the actual text of the bills (unless they misread it like McCaughey), so it seems pointless to add another unheard voice to the many clearly heard ones.   Of course, one could the same about same-sex marriage and homosexual inclusion.  My only defense is that, until recently, no one seemed to me to being agood job in sorting out the various sense of marriage and what was peculiar to each.  I don't suppose that the antis ever will, but hopefully (and, indeed, apparently) some of the pros are getting better at it.&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-5344973643560833275?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/5344973643560833275/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-know-i-know.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/5344973643560833275'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/5344973643560833275'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/08/i-know-i-know.html' title='I know, I know'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-4697717794690509306</id><published>2009-08-20T13:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-08-21T15:09:43.002-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Trans</title><content type='html'>The problems of a very good runner in a women's race the other day brings to the fore the problems I am having understanding transgender (etc.) within the lgbt spectrum.  Her problem seems to be (if she really has a problem other than being too good a runner) with the apparently simple question of sex: plugs and sockets, right?  But then chromosomes don't always match up, folks with a y chromosome, may be sockets because they can't process testosterone (another athlete's case).  I suppose in some possible realm a double x is a plug because s/he is overly sensitive to testosterone or overproduces it or radically misuses estrogen or the details of organ development just got screwed up in the womb.  This latter event accounts for a certain number of babies every year being born intersex, with plumbing not clearly one way or the other.  Chromosome checks and hormone checks can give some sense of what was intended and surgery can recreate that result, but not always completely, giving a fully functional person of the apparent sex.  And some people who pass initial inspection still turn out to be intersex in later life, with some characteristic of each sex -- stereotypically penis and breasts as a hermaphrodite, but other combinations occur.  On the other side, we find men who have two y chromosomes (and one x) and women with three xs, who tend to give exaggerated versions of their sex's (stereo)typical behavior (which raises the question of what a double x + y would be like).  And, in the end, some one has to decide -- separately for each situation, probably -- how much of what is enough to assign a person to a particular sex.   If matters are so confusing for &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;prima facie &lt;/span&gt;objective questions of sex, what chance have more subjective questions to be simple or straightforward?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Gender roles are social constructions; society determines how a person of a given sex is supposed to behave and dress and talk in various circumstances.  In some societies these are very restrictive, basically one pattern allowed, at least in public.  Other societies offer a number of options, though usually with a core of common measures (even executive women in custom suits don't wear boxers, say).  People who violate these patterns are thought odd (though possibly in a good way, but usually not -- at least patronizing), people who behave more in the pattern of the other sex are thought queer (definitely in a pejorative sense, sometimes a criminal one).  But again much depends on context: Eddie Izzard or Dame Edna or Chantilly on stage is at most slightly discomforting, one of them in the same get-up (well, down a bit for Chantilly) in the checkout line at Wal-mart is something else again.  Age, status, occupation and a whole range of socially defined differentia  play a role in setting the limits.  And. as there is intersex in sex, so there is androgyny is roles -- people who do not conform to either set of patterns but pick some from each.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The corresponding intermediate position in gender identity is gender queer or gender nonconforming.  Gender identity is what the person thinks themself to be: male, female, neutral or both, regardless of their body and the roles they play in society.  In many respects this seems to be the most important factor for transgendered people.  They have this sense of gender identity that is at variance with their bodies often long before they can act out the other roles and may keep it in their core self-identification even it they do not act out the corresponding roles.  But when possible, maybe only occasionally and briefly, maybe as a new life, they will live as their identity, obeying the patterns of their self-identified gender ( and perhaps eventually reshaping their bodies to conform).  This, a real chosen life-style, still -- in a society where it is possible at all -- carries a load of burdens, even if fairly "successful:" official identification papers (though these are getting easier to change), rest room choices, the constant threat of original socialization popping up in a wrong move, and so on.  Notice that, while coming to live with a gender identity not of your body is a choice, the gender identity itself does not seem to be, although its sources are less well understood or even explored than even sexual orientation, which is another, separate factor and the one that gets the most press (perhaps confusedly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sexual orientation has to do with what sort of person you can/do become romantically and sexually involved with.  The choices are men, women, both, either (and whatever else there might be) or none.  But, given what has gone before, this is not as clear cut a choice as it might seem: is the desire for a body structure or a way of living or some combination.  Biologically speaking, the answer has to be that the quest is for body structure, with roles coming in only as a clue to that.  But that still leaves many combinations to be sorted out: neither man oblivious to the successful transrole of his partner nor the partner, fully self-identified as female, thinks of themself as being a homosexual, even when the situation is revealed. Contrarywise, a body male who self identifies as female though takes on none of the female roles may have sex with a body-and-self-identified female and think of its as a homosexual encounter, regardless of what the partner or the rest of the world would think.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So now I am getting closer to my question, which might now be put as something like "How much of physical homosexuality is covert identity heterosexuality (and tother way round, of course)?  One of the gender roles is clearly attraction to the opposite gender, but this is separate from the other roles, so it may be the only cross role one plays.  Or the other parts of the cross role one uses may be minor or occasional.  The gay and lesbian people I have talked to seem to be quite comfortable in their bodies,  but they may not be totally frank or they may not be representative of a significant group.  None of this has anything to do with the right of every person to be who they want to be and to be united with the one they love, with at least the state's blessing and without hassles, but it raises a lot of questions about research and scientific understanding of human sexuality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-4697717794690509306?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/4697717794690509306/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/08/trans.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4697717794690509306'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/4697717794690509306'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/08/trans.html' title='Trans'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-519401970500535771</id><published>2009-07-28T09:22:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-28T10:08:50.579-07:00</updated><title type='text'>It's empty because there is nothing in it</title><content type='html'>I don't have a problem with the Shroud of Turin.  Its claim to be the burial shroud of Jesus doesn't get past the first word.  Assuming that the Crucifixion took place more or less as described, Jesus wasn't buried.  Pontius Pilate was a strict military governor (in fact, called home once for being overly severe), so he isn't going to break an easy rule.  In three hundred years of continuous conquest, the Romans had learned that leaving a tomb -- or any other visible reminder -- of a charismatic rebel leader just leads to a prolonged or recurring rebellion.  So, he would not have agreed to Joseph's request, even if Joseph had been fool enough to make it -- admitting friendship with a just executed rebel leader was grounds for arrest and at least a beating.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;div&gt;"But all the texts agree that Jesus was buried."  Well, yes, because you need a burial to get a resurrection (if a body got up from the garbage heap where the crucified were tossed, no one would notice or could point to the evidence that one was missing).  And the resurrection was necessary to complete, make sense of, the crucifixion.  Which is somehow necessary for our salvation (though just how is hard to answer in a way consistent with other theological points).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Of course, the resurrection presents its own problems as well.  If Jesus' body                 was resuscitated,  it is a very strange body indeed. The inevitable damage from being dead 36 hours has been repaired, though not the external wounds.  It can eat and break bread and be felt, but it can also pass through walls or, more likely, port to or from any place.  And it does not seem to be in continuous existence, for there are long stretches when no one knows where it is (I will pass over the levitation at the end).  Once you allow all that, the difference from a vision seems mostly verbal.  And Paul, who never claims more than a vision, still claims that what he had was the same as what the Twelve and Mary and all had.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt; But the question is still, what does all this or any part of it have to do with our salvation?  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-519401970500535771?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/519401970500535771/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-empty-because-there-is-nothing-in.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/519401970500535771'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/519401970500535771'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-empty-because-there-is-nothing-in.html' title='It&apos;s empty because there is nothing in it'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-2377207258036551870</id><published>2009-07-14T08:42:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-14T13:58:59.624-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Well, gag me with a feather</title><content type='html'>As thatFriend of Jake said.  I think I have never been so happy to be wrong.  Or nearly wrong, since the resolutions on blessing same-sex unions is still out there somewhere.  But for now, Yah-hooo!&lt;br /&gt;And a better than 2 to 1 margin: no bad surprises, a few good ones, and the dunnos vastly went for 'Yes.'&lt;a id="publishButton" class="cssButton" href="javascript:void(0)" target="" onclick="if (this.className.indexOf(&amp;quot;ubtn-disabled&amp;quot;) == -1) {var e = document['stuffform'].publish;(e.length) ? e[0].click() : e.click(); if (window.event) window.event.cancelBubble = true; return false;}"&gt;&lt;div class="cssButtonOuter"&gt;&lt;div class="cssButtonMiddle"&gt;&lt;div class="cssButtonInner"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-2377207258036551870?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/2377207258036551870/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/well-gag-me-with-feather.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2377207258036551870'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2377207258036551870'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/well-gag-me-with-feather.html' title='Well, gag me with a feather'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-2547197551884608961</id><published>2009-07-07T11:51:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-07T13:47:19.270-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Getting it rite</title><content type='html'>Another corollary to the axiom, "A committed life-long relation between two people of the same sex is the moral equivalent of a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; marriage"  is (in case I haven't mentioned it before)&lt;br /&gt;  A committed life-long relation between two people of the same sex deserves all the recognition and support from both church and state that a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; marriage does.&lt;br /&gt;That is, the state ought to give out marriage licenses to such couples and the church ought to solemnize, bless and proclaim their union.  (I would add that the state ought to have rules for divorces for such couples and the church ought to devise rites for the dissolution of all unions, but that is another issue.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To review the reasons in favor of taking up these obligations, simple equality aside:&lt;br /&gt; The state gets information which will simplify questions about rights and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;responsibilities&lt;/span&gt; of property and the course of public health threats as well as increasing the societal bend toward stability.  In short, just the reasons for licensing and recording &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; marriages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; The church also have exactly the same reasons for proclaiming and blessing these relations as it has for &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; marriages: supporting the stability of the family, channeling desires, and providing temporal images of God's love.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And what can be put up in opposition to these actions of church and state?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; They legalize, even bless, sin!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Well, even assuming homosexual sex acts are sinful (oh dear, there's another topic to look at), they are already legal (that is, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;decriminalized&lt;/span&gt; -- finally, but somehow still insultingly).  Indeed, states are coming more and more to the realization that &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;criminalizing&lt;/span&gt; sin per &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;se&lt;/span&gt; is a bad, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;unproductive&lt;/span&gt;, idea -- quite aside from any  notion of separation between church (the spotter of sin) and state (the spotter of crime).  There are overlaps, of course, but the sins that are also crimes should be outlawed for their criminal (they muck up property &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;transactions&lt;/span&gt;), not their religious (they piss God off), content.  And, of course, the state doesn't license the sex -- if any -- in a marriage, only the union (and the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;accompanying&lt;/span&gt; property rights and duties -- all the state can deal with, after all.)  The same applies to churches, who do not bless the sex acts in a marriage, but the union itself.  While sex acts may be presumed to be a part of a marriage, they are not singled out for special &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;consideration&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   Well, even if they don't license or bless homosexual sex acts, these actions would provide secure place to carry them out and thus increase their frequency.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   How  much did the spread of marriage laws and marriage rites increase the amount of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; sex acts in olden times?  Or, if that is too speculative, how much has the decline in marriage in modern times decreased the amount of sexual activity?  The effect is surely negligible, even if you don't think &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;post &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;hoc&lt;/span&gt; ergo &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;propter&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;hoc&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; is a fallacy.   And why, exactly, would increased frequency, did it occur, be a bad thing?  If the issue is increased sin and damnation, then we need to look again at Paul, who, after all those passages apparently about how awful homosexual desires and actions are, always comes back to the Good News that all of that (and other things also in the tirade) is vanished in the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;salvific&lt;/span&gt; action of Jesus.  So, unless you think seventy times seven is a literal limit on the number of times one can be forgiven for something (in which case, you have less than a year and a half before damnation overtakes you)  rather than a symbolic way of saying "as long as he asks,"  a Christian homosexual (and this is not an oxymoron, by this same reasoning) does not fall deeper into sin and damnation at all.&lt;br /&gt;(Note: this &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;not&lt;/span&gt; urging increased sin so that grace may increase, but merely noting that, if it were sin, grace would be sufficient to cover it.)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;  Well, even if it doesn't legitimate sin, it does legitimate an unhealthy life-style.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   I guess I never understood what the gay life-style was, because, with some few flaming exceptions -- easily matched from straight culture, though in somewhat different form -- the lives of the gays I know or hear about do not seem that different from anybody &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;else's&lt;/span&gt;: drag &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;out&lt;/span&gt; of bed, slog off to work, drag home, watch &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;tv&lt;/span&gt;, sleep.  I tend to think, then, that "lifestyle" is again a code for "sex act".  So, then, are homosexual sex acts more unhealthy than &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; ones (presumably meaning  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; ones that  homosexuals don't engage in, since most homosexual sex acts are also &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;heterosexual&lt;/span&gt; ones, with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;insignificant&lt;/span&gt; -- from a health point of view -- &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24"&gt;modifications&lt;/span&gt;).  I suppose that each sex act carries unique risks and, if that danger is realized and the act is stigmatized,  proper treatment might be delayed and unhealthy &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25"&gt;consequences&lt;/span&gt; ensue.  But then, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26"&gt;legitimating&lt;/span&gt; the context of the act would go some way toward removing the stigma and the delay in treatment, hence, hopefully, the bad outcome.  Yet another way in which marriage is a healthy choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I see no rational reason against marriage for all couples, and several reasons in favor of it -- for both church and state.  All that is left against it is the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_27"&gt;ick&lt;/span&gt; factor, which is no ground for such an important choice.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-2547197551884608961?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/2547197551884608961/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/getting-it-rite.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2547197551884608961'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2547197551884608961'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/getting-it-rite.html' title='Getting it rite'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-8145027655551729945</id><published>2009-07-06T07:26:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-06T08:38:04.662-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Windsor Compliancy Report Card</title><content type='html'>We interrupt our regularly scheduled blog to bring you this relevant news.  We'll get back to &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;love&lt;/span&gt; soon.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Windsor report recommends a number of things. Some , however, seem more important than others as affecting the life of the Church.   &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;Since GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; and its associates, even within &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt;, regularly complain about &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;TEC's&lt;/span&gt; "&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;disobedience&lt;/span&gt;" to these &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;recommendations&lt;/span&gt;, it is interesting to compare their performance with &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;TEC's&lt;/span&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1. Don't consecrate bishop's whose manner of life is &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;objectionable&lt;/span&gt; to some members of the Communion.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;   So far as I know, no one has objected to any &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;bishop&lt;/span&gt; consecrated in &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; (or &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;ACC&lt;/span&gt;)  since the        report came out.  Have I missed something?&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; churches have consecrated a number of people who owe their positions to thievery (or &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;embezzlement&lt;/span&gt;  or whatever -- and probably simony) and has taken in several deposed bishops of the same persuasion.  Stealing is behavior is widely objected to even in Anglican circles.  They have also consecrated clerics who have preached in favor of punishing -- even killing -- homosexuals just for being homosexual.  Indeed, it seems some have been raised just &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;because&lt;/span&gt; they preached that way,  This behavior is objected to by many parts of the Communion, even -- officially -- by the Windsor Report and the ABC.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2. Don't establish rites for blessing (etc.) same sex marriages.&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;Well, I admit this is a fudge, but the Church has not established (or even officially set out to study -- which means that any actual &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;establishment&lt;/span&gt; would be 6 years away at least) any such rite.  The fudge is, of course, that various parishes and even dioceses have carried out such rites, using ad &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;hoc&lt;/span&gt; forms and, perhaps, even some that circulate widely and would surely be considered if the Church were to start a study.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_14"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; passes this with flying colors, naturally.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3.   Don't cross provincial borders to establish churches.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;Well, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_15"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt;, because of its history, has churches in all sorts of places, but no new ones since the Windsor Report.&lt;br /&gt;    &lt;br /&gt;Four or five &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_16"&gt;GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; provinces have established churches -- or, more often, taken over existing ones -- in the US and Canada.  When they took them over, they regularly tried (and in many cases have succeeded so far) to take over the assets of the church and use them in opposition to &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_17"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; and &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_18"&gt;ACC&lt;/span&gt;.  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_19"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; has sued (&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_20"&gt;successfully&lt;/span&gt; in the decided cases) to recover the property-- an &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_21"&gt;unChristian&lt;/span&gt; move according to the thieves, as Paul is against going to the government for church matters.  &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_22"&gt;Unfortunately&lt;/span&gt;, even though this government is not &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_23"&gt;antiChristian&lt;/span&gt; (it really isn't) and, so, different from the government Paul was suspicious of, it does have laws of fiduciary &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_24"&gt;responsibility&lt;/span&gt;, such that, if &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_25"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; had not sued to recover the property, it could itself be sued for heedlessly alienating that property.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4.   Accept all &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_26"&gt;lgbt&lt;/span&gt; people in the Church as full members of the Church -- and all equally under God's love.&lt;br /&gt;   &lt;br /&gt;Well, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_27"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; doesn't get an A+ on this, but its record is not &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_28"&gt;embarrassingly&lt;/span&gt; bad, certainly better than most other provinces of the Communion, including the C of E (which hasn't even dealt squarely with women yet).&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;So far as I can tell, no &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_29"&gt;GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; province has objected to laws in their countries which criminalize &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_30"&gt;homosexuality&lt;/span&gt;, association of homosexuals, homosexual acts and so on.  In most cases they have been approving, if &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_31"&gt;occasionally&lt;/span&gt; silently, and in some cases have been in the forefront of those advocating more such laws and stiffer penalties.  They have also allowed (even encouraged) preachers to preach against &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_32"&gt;homosexuality&lt;/span&gt; in terms that would surely come under hate speech and clear and present danger to violent acts in &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_33"&gt;the&lt;/span&gt; US and are at least distasteful almost anywhere.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;5.  Listen to the experiences of &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_34"&gt;lgbt&lt;/span&gt; members and others.&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;Again, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_35"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; does not get and A+, but fares pretty well against others in the Communion and other US Churches.  Vocal &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_36"&gt;spokesperson&lt;/span&gt; for &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_37"&gt;lgbt&lt;/span&gt; inclusion are heard, even if off the record, and there is some indication that some official body will actually sit down and listen to them -- and others not so &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_38"&gt;loud&lt;/span&gt; -- on the record.&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;On the grounds that you can't get anything sensible out creatures lower than dogs or from admitted criminals, no &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_39"&gt;GAFCON&lt;/span&gt; province has any program for listening to &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_40"&gt;lgbt&lt;/span&gt; people nor p&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_41"&gt;lans&lt;/span&gt; to have one.  They always plead that there are more important things to worry about -- poverty, hunger, disease, corruption, ... but then they don't do much along the lines of dealing with these, either, and actually hamper some efforts since they won't take aid from &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_42"&gt;TEC&lt;/span&gt; or other people where men marry men.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Have I forgotten anything important?  Have I &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_43"&gt;misevaluated&lt;/span&gt; anyone?&lt;br /&gt;  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-8145027655551729945?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/8145027655551729945/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/windsor-compliancy-report-card.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8145027655551729945'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8145027655551729945'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/windsor-compliancy-report-card.html' title='Windsor Compliancy Report Card'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-2917259264649519526</id><published>2009-07-01T07:55:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-07-01T13:18:40.903-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Last Rite</title><content type='html'>No, not Extreme Unction (which sounds like it should be administered by Uriah Heep), but Marriage, the last of the rites to get on the list as a sacrament or something close.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marriage has been mainly about property.  In olden times (e.g. biblical ones), marriage was a contract between two families (usually) involving the exchange of a woman (and some other property) for some property.  It was a lifelong commitment because otherwise all the property had to be given back and the one family was stuck with the woman again (and at second-hand value). (This is why biblical marriage were often &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;intrafamilial&lt;/span&gt;: first cousins, even half-siblings). People who didn't have property, didn't get married in any legalistic way, they just cohabited or practiced some folk ritual (jumping the broom, say).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, when a couple of propertied families contracted a good marriage, they celebrated the successful conclusion of the negotiations and the signing. And, why not invoke the gods (or, eventually, God) to oversee the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;contract's&lt;/span&gt; execution (it &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;seemed&lt;/span&gt; to help with that subdivision last year)?  So a ritual evolved for these occasions.  And this ritual came to include an expression of the clauses of the contract: life long commitment, exclusivity, sharing property, taking care of one another, etc., to the point where the ritual almost replaced the contract and the contract was not considered valid without the ritual (there are wonderful medieval debates about when the contract came into force,  in case one of the participants -- bride, groom, or priest -- died before the whole thing was over).  Marriage came to be -- in some people's mind, at least -- not something done by the bride and groom (or their families) but something done by God through the agency of the priest ("whom God has joined together").&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Church (or whatever) saw several advantages in this situation and so institutionalized it, first bringing the ritual into the church (first the informal parts, then the main worship space) then raising it to the status of a sacrament (the Wedding at &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;Cana&lt;/span&gt; gave her a needed precedent).  She also expanded its scope, so that everyone, whether propertied or not, had to be married to live together or have children (the opportunities for bastards in the strict sense were sharply limited).  As noted, knowing who goes with whom is useful information to have, and the Church gave up little to get it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For a time, then, a Church marriage was the only kind there was (officially).  But, with the rise of the modern state and its interest in information about its citizens, civil marriage reemerged and became the only official standard.  The church marriage became again a ritual around the signing of a contract, an occasion to proclaim and celebrate the union the contract involved and to bless that union.  But much of the aura of the intervening era of sacramental marriage remained,  and spread even to civil marriages without &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;ecclesial&lt;/span&gt; frills.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Marriage is traditionally  a man taking a woman (men were too valuable to be used as bargaining chips).  What exceptions there have been we few, widely separated and very temporary, though occasionally historically important. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, notice that sex is nowhere mentioned in the contracts.  It may be assumed, or acknowledged with a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;Pynthonesque&lt;/span&gt; nudge and wink at  "union," but it is not dealt with in the clauses.  Thus, the contract can serve as well for for a same-sex couple as an other-sex couple, barring reference to 'bride' and 'groom', with their assumed genders, or "this man" and "this woman" with explicit reference, assuming that the couple can fulfill (or commit themselves to try to fulfill) the clauses actually there.  And there is no apparent reason why a same-sex couple cannot do this.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And, since the clauses of that old private contract, now made public and civil, informed the church ritual, there is no reason why a same-sex couple cannot have their union blessed.  What is blessed (proclaimed and celebrated , too) is the union, the commitment to live out those clauses.  Other things that happen in the context of that union are incidental: if they break the clauses (as wife-beating and adultery surely do) then either the union is dissolved or the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;reconciliatory&lt;/span&gt; prescriptions are brought into play; if they don't (as consensual sex acts clearly don't), then these, though &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;unblessed&lt;/span&gt;, do not  per &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;se&lt;/span&gt; affect the union or the blessing on it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-2917259264649519526?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/2917259264649519526/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/last-rite.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2917259264649519526'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/2917259264649519526'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/07/last-rite.html' title='Last Rite'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-8399694744128121558</id><published>2009-06-28T10:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-28T13:51:24.055-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Why the to-do about marriage?</title><content type='html'>Marriage has usually been about property.  Where I am now,  a marriage license is issued by the same clerks who handle "documents of writing affecting real property or personal property" in the Finance Divsion of the county government, along with the Assessor and the Collector.   The State licenses autos and drivers, the municipalities license pets, marriage is for the County.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Government (composed mainly of clerks) register marriages for the convenience of clerks. Laws give certain rights and duties -- about transmission of property and paying off debts, for example -- to married people, and it is easier to see to it that these are honored if you have a list of names of those whom they apply.  There are also public health concerns: knowing who a carrier lives with helps to follow and check the spread of a contagion, And there is the general concern for stability in society, that things stay as much as possible as they are -- and marriage (and the difficulty of getting out of it) help this in at least one area.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given all this, it is clear that governments would like to see to it that more people are married, especially people who are living together or have children together.  And, indeed, there are occasional drives to get cohabitors to marry (though, because unsuccessful, not so many as formerly).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But why then the fuss about homosexual marriages?  Surely, it is to the government's advantage to have the information.  Given the context in which the government puts marriage, the answer must be that homosexual marriages will cost the government too much.  And, indeed, there have been comments -- on the fourth page of the Business section usually -- about how small-business owners will be hurt by increased retirement and health care liabilities, and similar claims about  Social Security.  But people who claim to be able to predict these things say that these inbalances will quickly be corrected -- as they would be if more cohabitors married or, indeed, if just more employees did.  So this does not seem to be a very powerful objection.  Nor is it ever treated as one; as noted, it is never the headline.  The headlines reveal that the objection stems from something barely mentioned in the government's interest in marriage: sex acts.  About all the government says about that topic is a threat of unpleasant consequences to the person in a marriage who has sex with someone outside it (it can create all kinds of paperwork in an inheritance trial, for example). Given that existing homosexual unions seem to be about as monogamous as heterosexual marriages, this does not appear to be much of a problem -- and the routine to deal with it is already well-oiled by current marriages.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ah, but (significantly) homosexual sex acts are icky (homophobia is coprophobia by proxy?).   But most people, those who watch porn on their computers, know that some folks find this act stimulating and that heterosexual couples engage in it (at least, the law says, the right people  are doing it together). Nor do all homosexuals do it all the time -- indeed, some don't ever.  So, the  mere possibility of icky acts (we are not -- any longer at least -- going to check) does not seem a valid reason for preventing homosexual marriages.  We allow others where that -- and probably far worse -- sex acts occur.  And in the broad range of activities covered by even this small area of government, much ickier things happen and, indeed, are ordered to happen (had your septic tank pumped lately?).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this icky act is a sin!  So is divorce (and more explicitly than any sex act) and much pawnbroking, both of which are carried out or licensed by the government.  And, of course, talk of sin has no play in discussion of government activities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But this would be blessing sin in a sacred institution.   And here we have it!  The opponent of homosexual marriage has confused a civil marriage -- two people's deed to one another -- with some religious -- or at least spiritual -- entity.  Or even two: a ceremony and a state of life. Of course, using the same word for all of them aids the confusion.  But a civil marriage is quite  independent the others as they are of one another: you can have one without the other any way you want.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How this confusion comes about -- and is exploited by various people (to what purpose I can't quite figure out)  -- is the next topic (forthcoming)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-8399694744128121558?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/8399694744128121558/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-to-do-sbout-marriage.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8399694744128121558'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/8399694744128121558'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/why-to-do-sbout-marriage.html' title='Why the to-do about marriage?'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-7197735641126289699</id><published>2009-06-27T07:59:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-27T11:15:05.388-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Axiom and action</title><content type='html'>Axiom&lt;br /&gt;A consensual committed life-long mutual relationship between two people of the same sex is the moral equivalent of a heterosexual marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Corollary&lt;br /&gt;Being in such a relation is not a bar to any role in this church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Action&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;TEC implicitly accepted these propositions at GC2003 when it accepted V. Gene Robinson's election as Bishop of New Hampshire.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It has never explicitly accepted either of them.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not at GC03.&lt;br /&gt;ABC was said to have muttered that we did the right thing but in the wrong order (or so it was interpreted by those used to reading the enigmatic oracles -- he probably said "hysteron proteron").  I suppose this bass-ackwards approach was taken because it was clear that accepting the election would pass ("Vicky Gene is such a nice guy" as, indeed , he is) while the general principle might not.  And maybe it was thought (by whomever was doing the thinking) that the general principle would even further strain the bonds of the Communion.  It is not clear that it could have, given what has happened since -- little or any of it actually about lgbt people.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not at GC06&lt;br /&gt;I suppose that, along with B033, this nonaction was taken in the hope of mollifying the situation and giving the new PB some space in which to operate in the Communion.  And we know how well that turned out.  Collaborating with Others on a display issue while continuing not to give all power to those who are Absolutely Right, will not win a favorable response from the latter.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not at GC09&lt;br /&gt;HOB has announced (implicitly, of course -- the via media "Do it, but don't say so"?) that no action will be taken on same-sex unions: "We have to wait for our secret committee's reports".  As if there was an argument that had not been worked to death already, or a new piece of information to explore (except, of course, the stories of happily united faithful across the demographics -- which "will be given all due consideration").  Of course, the GC does have some control over the budget and in these times cut must be made ... . As if!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Not GC12&lt;br /&gt;Sorry, but the report was negative.  Nearly a half of lgbt unions end in separation, and in a very large number cases at least one partner has sexual liaisons outside the union.  So, it cannot be morally equivalent to heterosexual marriage.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By the way, you might want to gussy the axiom up with more adjectives: "self-giving," "caring," "loving," and so on.  And add "blessed and registered as much as the law allows."  This will not change many of the facts on the ground, alas.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-7197735641126289699?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/7197735641126289699/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/axiom-and-action.html#comment-form' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/7197735641126289699'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/7197735641126289699'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/axiom-and-action.html' title='Axiom and action'/><author><name>F. Harry Stowe</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/07907752362236005308</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='24' src='http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_3K5m5YkOzo0/SpBockghpAI/AAAAAAAAAAM/YbwOr-MNIKg/S220/Nov09%2361.JPG'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-393689570369774395.post-6134952490952018789</id><published>2009-06-23T15:16:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-23T16:02:25.964-07:00</updated><title type='text'>First things.</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;I am setting up this blog to discuss things Episcopalian, at the moment mainly same sex marriage in its various guises and the pusillanimity of GC in dealing with this issue.  I hope that this issue will go away and then certainly I will get on to other issues -- and I may before then even.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have been an Episcopalian for slightly less than half my life, having dropped in accidentally in the course of getting married one time.  Prior to that I was an accidental Fundamentalist (it was the only church in town and everybody went to church there and then), an interdenominationalist (the school church), a Lutheran (LCA - another wedding) and mainly a nothing -- but "spiritual."  Once in, I found I liked it a lot and dove in to the activities of my parish  (laid-back Anglo-Catholi&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;c:fancy dresses&lt;/span&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;, candles, incense but sneakers or Jerusalem ground grippers -- and liberal to radical politics): lector, vestry, altar party, diocesan delegate, etc. and graduated from the diocesan School for Ministry (even got married *in the church* once).   My parish has usually (since I've been here) had a woman as rector or at least assistant and is an Oasis parish: advertising as friendly to lgbt people, who, indeed, make up a significant part of the congregation and the leadership.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lately I have gotten a little disgruntled at the slow pace of progress and the political hanky-panky in at least the national church and the World Wide Anglican Communion led by the ABC.  So now and here is my opportunity to vent to someone besides my long-suffering wife and my inattentive cat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;input id="gwProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;!--Session data--&gt;&lt;input onclick="jsCall();" id="jsProxy" type="hidden"&gt;&lt;div id="refHTML"&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/393689570369774395-6134952490952018789?l=fharrystowe.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/feeds/6134952490952018789/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-things.html#comment-form' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/6134952490952018789'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/393689570369774395/posts/default/6134952490952018789'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fharrystowe.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-things.html' title='First things.'/><author><name>F. 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